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OK, I'm doing this again. Why? Why the hell not? I like ranting, people like reading rants, since they can be entertaining, so yeah, I'm going to go nuts.

First topic: Milestones.

I'm going to say it now. I hate milestone issues. I don't mind them for the actual anniversaries, like Genesis being used to celebrate Sonic's 20th birthday, but in terms of having major events always happening every 25 issues, it's normally a case of another shock value story on the 5s, and Sonic curb stomping Robotnik as in any other issue on the 0s. As such, they become predictable and boring.

One of the things I love about SatFF is that due to the way we write, we can't do milestones, since if we tried, they'd probably end up being in the wrong part. It means that the plot progresses in a logical fashion, and the characters aren't just waiting for no good reason to act.

This was one of the problems that appeared in the Captain N TV show. The powers that Kevin had been given meant that he could have killed Mother Brain (Yes, that Mother Brain, for those that don't know) any time he wanted, warping in, stopping time, and shooting the bitch, and he even tried several times, but they had to stall it out so the show could keep running. The problem that we have is that the hero is holding off on acting so that major events don't happen too early.

For example, as  pointed out, Sonic could have captured Mecha Sally by now. In fact, the moment he got thrown off the Death Egg, any other version of Sonic, be it SEGA, STC, SatAM, AoSTH, or even everyone's favorite cardboard cutout, Sonic X, would have grabbed one of the FF air boards and flown back up to rescue her. But no, Tails and Amy suddenly became blubbering wrecks, so he had to stop and take care of the. And then what? Oh yeah, he had to go and watch Geoff's trial. More on that later.

This is called padding, and this comic has a lot of it.

It happens again in 238. Sonic could easily save everyone, but Tails lets Mecha Sally go because someone might get hurt during the launch of the Death Egg. In other words: Tails lets Mecha Sally go because if he didn't the plot would be resolved. Oh, and I'd like to point out that this is the same robot that had no trouble with Omega, yet she can't beat Sonic or Tails. Guess that plot amour is really strong stuff.

What does this have to do with milestones? Well, it's been long suspected that Sally would be staying as she is until 250, in other words, 20 issues as a robot. Look, when we complained that Iron Nicole wasn't around long enough, this isn't what we meant, Flynn. Six issues would have been fine. Indeed, most arcs in this comic are six issues, and this is a perfectly reasonable length for one. And the last time he tried to do a big, long arc, a lot of fans started to call bullshit. And look, it's another big, long arc, and many more fans are starting to call bullshit. The obvious solution is this: Don't do long arcs, we just start to bitch about them.

In fact, the arc that Flynn is clearly trying to top, Endgame (In other words, Ken Penders at his best), was only four issues long. And yet, people remember it even now. It raised the stakes, things looked bad for Sonic, things looked really bad for Sally, and Robotnik died. And it was awesome.

However, Flynn seemed to be trying to stretch Mecha Sally's arc out to 250. However, as  said, the shock value of Mecha Sally has worn off. You see, due to the 'world tour' crap going on at the moment (The FF World Tour arc in SSZ was much better), a lot of old supporting characters are encountering Mecha Sally. And every time it happens, they are shocked. In fact, Mecha Sally is a two-trick horse.

Trick 1: She shows herself to a supporting character, and they are shocked.
Trick 2: She claims that Sonic, Tails, and Amy will not attack her because she is in the body of their friend, and is then shocked when they attack her anyway.

Both of these have gotten old already, and the idea of seeing them stretch out to 250 is painful. This arc is already suffering from Seasonal Rot more than the Johto and Sinnoh arcs of the Pokemon Anime did.

Thankfully it doesn't seem like that will happen. Why? Well, first, the big milestone event for 250 is... a crossover with Megaman. Considering that it's Capcom's character, I'm expecting Megaman's half to be canceled, or the comic to have unnecessary levels of DLC. Joking aside, something like Sally's deroboticization is going to be a major plot point, so will probably have an issue to itself.

Evidence seems to suggest that this will be coming in or around 242. This would make it a full year since her roboticization. Now, Mecha Sally's next mission is to kill her brother, who is part of the Secret Freedom Fighters (Who seem to be wearing really conspicuous glow-in-the-dark uniforms, nice job at being secret, guys), who are chasing Naugus. You know, the same guy who can turn Bunnie's completely mechanical limbs, which are filled with weapon parts into perfectly ordinary organic ones? So let's see about this.

I'm guessing that the Secret FF arc will end on a cliffhanger, with Mecha Sally arriving to kill Elias. The ensuing fight will happen in the main comic, because that's where it should be. During the fight, Mecha Sally will be hit by Naugus' powers of plot convenience, and reverted to normal, just like I said back in State of the Sonic Comics. And if that doesn't happen, she will at least be freed from Robotnik's control.


Second topic: Sonic is a Dick.

OK, so my friend  has said that he hates the STC version of Sonic, because the STC version of Sonic is a dick. This is true, but it is actually explained that STC Sonic is a dick because he doesn't take emotional stuff well, and responds to such things as Porker leaving the FF by getting pissed off, because he doesn't know how to express his opinion otherwise. And seriously, the guy has SuperSonic in his head, cut him some slack.

So yeah, STC Sonic is a prick, but Archie Sonic is, in my opinion, even worse.

For example, in issue 178, he catches Rosemary breaking Amadeus out of jail, and tells them that, despite them being Tails' parents, whom the kid has been longing to rescue since forever, that Tails will take his side because Sonic means more to him, What a prick. Thankfully, as he says this, Tails is right behind him, and proceeds to punch the douchebag in the face.

But the dethroning moment of suck hits in Geoff's trial. Geoff's trial is a joke anyway. What was Kranix's line from Transformers?

"Spare me this mockery of justice!"

Yeah, that's the one. You see, Geoff is being tried for betraying the king and putting a maniacal villain in power... by the same maniacal villain that he just put in power. You can see where this is going.

In any case, at one point, Geoff recounts his version of the events surrounding Hershey's disappearance (Flynn has effectively confirmed that he intends to bring her back, so credit where it's due), and breaks down as he tells the story of what he thinks is his wife's death. Pretty sad moment, right? Anyone with a heart would feel sorry for him, right? Right. But not Sonic the Hedgehog. The moment Geoff is given the guilty verdict (And is pardoned seconds later, told you nothing would come of it), he stands up and starts cheering.  Congratulations, Flynn, you just made me want to kick the hero in the balls! If anything, considering the recent events on the Death Egg, Sonic should feel sympathy for Geoff, considering Sally's current state. But no, Sonic is apparently an unfeeling douchebag.

Seriously, they made STC Sonic look like a boy scout.

Third topic: Hypocrisy everywhere!

I've managed to work out why Flynn fans don't mind all the hypocritical bullshit in the comic. It's because they themselves say hypocritical things a lot. Mainly praising Flynn for doing the same things that they ranted at Penders and Bollers for doing.

For example, many of them complained about the Sonic/Fiona/Tails love triangle, yet praised the Sonic/Sally/Ken love triangle, despite the fact that yes, at the time, Sonic was a player, and yes, it's established that Tails loved Fiona, whereas, as one of my fellow ranters said, to make Flynn's love triangle work, he had to turn Ken into a "Prince Charming-styled lump of pudding", which is without a doubt the best way I've heard anyone describe Ken since "Arrogant douchebag".


Fourth topic: Why don't you just shoot him?

Seriously, the end of this arc will make no logical sense. Why? Because the Freedom Fighters will let Eggman live. They are contractually obligated to do so. Let's face it, what happened to him in Redemption and Revenge was what anyone with any sense would do. He's crossed the line, and the only smart thing to do is to kill him. This is the point where I will say that they should have kept Eggman as an entity hopping between mechanical bodies. That way, Sonic and co could actually kill him, and he could still come back. The Freedom Fighters have no reason to show him mercy, and yet, I know they will.


Fifth topic: Fiona Fox, and why she is a terrible villain.

Oh yeah, that's right, I'm going there. Again. I'm going to say this: Fiona is to Flynn what Sally was to Bollers. A character that they obviously do not like, and so will be dragged down into the mud to make everyone else dislike her too.

Multiple people have already said this, but Fiona's heel turn wasn't convincing. In fact, the slap was added in as a physical way of saying "This character is evil, and you should hate her", because without it, it would seem that Fiona was tricking Scourge, and pretending to go evil Hell, even with the slap, that idea could still work. Simply say that she did it so that Tails would not follow her and screw up her chances at beating Scourge.

See, even with the slap, it's painfully easy to twist it into a situation where she's still a heroine. That's one of the reasons why it's often the backbone of my stories. It works, it allows me to write crowning moments of heartwarming, everyone seems to enjoy it, and it's easy, and quite honestly, I'm a lazy bastard. Writing a heel face turn should take time and development, and while I do normally make it develop, I can make it happen in the space of two seconds.

Fiona's motives are confusing. Or rather, her lack of a solid motive. The main reason she gave was that she was still sore over being abandoned. You know, despite forgiving him in an earlier issue, and often making out with him since 155. Also, if she's walking out on Sonic over a lack of trust, then why is she going to A) another version of the man she apparently does not trust, who is B) formally known as EVIL Sonic, and now known as Scourge, and C) has a track record of being a lying, cheating bastard, who is completely D) UNTRUSTWORTHY!?

On top of that, she has done a terrible job at being a villain. The one time that she doesn't have Scourge helping her, she has to go to Sonic for help. And no, Breakout doesn't count. It's not hard to get arrested. Hell, considering that she left her entire zone and helped Scourge invade it, then she's probably already on the Zone Cops' list of targets. People say that she is more memorable as a villain, but she's completely ineffectual. On the other hand, as a Freedom Fighter, she was pretty successful.

Finally, we have her character arc since 172. She's not convincing as a villain, and we're being left hanging for a heel face turn. I'm going to list the arc to prove my point.

172: Unconvincing face heel turn.
Knuxerjak: Shown being both physically and verbally abused by Scourge.
Bold New Moebius: Self confidence destroyed by Sonic, realizes that she's screwed up. Points to next appearance being the heel turn.
SU15: Heel turn teased, doesn't happen, nothing but fanservice for Fiona haters.
Breakout: Most logical choice to be left behind, since she has no powers, doesn't happen, verbally abused by Scourge, shown forming a bond with her cellmate, proving that she is still not "evil", as opposed to Scourge being an ass to everyone.

The point is, we keep being teased about a heel face turn, and it's not happening. Flynn has even said in the letters page that it is possible for Fiona to turn good again. So, here we have a character who's fall to evil was unconvincing, is still unconvincing as a villain, who has no success as a villain, and her character arc points to her becoming a hero again, or at least an anti-hero, and yet Flynn is still writing her as a villain.
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EpsilonEagle Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2014
You pretty much hit the nail on the head here. I hate the Archie comics for several reasons. The OOCness, the constant "traitor" cliche Archie abuses, the unlikeability of the Freedom Fighters, the ridiculousness of the world which goes into AoStH and Sonic Underground territory, crappy villains whom half the time used to be good guys or are simply evil versions of good guys, the deus ex machina endings, the dragged out and often ridiculous plots, the really bad original characters... I could go on all day. Reading Archie almost had me hate SatAM for a while, I started to like it again after re-watching it and remembering that SatAM is NOT Archie however.
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RobertDaller Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012
Hi guy you don't know deciding to give a random comment here time for me to voice my opinion Ian Flynn is an awesome guy and an an even more awesome writer what's been going in the comics now may have changed things but he needed to in order for anyone to read it as for this bullcrap about them waiting for random reasons to do something special the comic has been really cool about leading up to big events and if you don't like the comic you should just not talk about it instead of dedicating a page to making fun of it this whole page is stupid and mean stuff like this shouldn't be allowed.
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Kid3t3rnity Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
This is where logic wins over blind fanaticism. Ian's stories at the core don't make that much sense and everything is just to make the comic expand its audience, which backfired a bit because a majority of fans agree that most of it was done wrong.
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RobertDaller Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2013
Dude Ian made A LOT of Ken Pender's stories make a lot MORE sense He went back and made characters that I simply couldn't stand likeable
The only thing I do more or less agree with you on is Geoffary Snt John who I don't think ANYONE thought was working for Ixis Naugus

And i'm far from a blind fan I used to hate the comics back around issue 100 but Ian has made the comics more like the games while largely keeping it's own elements this Reboot sounds like it might not go so well but like I said in my other reply that's not Ian's fault

And like I said if you hate the comics so much Why talk about it?

Now i've simply had enough i'm not gonna argue about this I made my point you made yours
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SonicSatamX93 Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2012  Student Writer
You have a right to your opinion, but do not scold those who hate the comic. I will not tolerate that.

They can dislike it if they want to. It's called expressing yourself.

However, if you feel we are unfairly slandering Ian and his story, then please point out how. Otherwise, let us be.

This is how we deal with a comic book that's no completely gone away from its roots. We are not trying to attack Ian so much as his abominable writing.
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Sonic-Sunshine Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2012
Fiona was a character who should have never existed. At all.

Her initial appearance as a robotic duplicate was unnessasary. Her becoming an actual mobian from which the robot was cast from was unnessasary. Her suddenly becoming a full on Freedom Fighter out of nowhere after the timeskip was unnessasary. Her becoming Sonic's girlfriend was unnessasary, and we didn't even get up to the Current Era yet.

In the end Fiona's a lot like Mina. They were both brought into the main cast in the mists of the " Dark Ages " (my personal name for Issues 80 - 140-ish) as possible alternate love interests for Sonic. They both bring absolutely nothing new or exciting to the table. As a result they were both pretty terrible Main Cast Members / Freedom Fighters.

The sole difference between Mina and Fiona was that eventually Karl realized that Mina wasn't being recieved well and quietly wrote her out. Fiona in contrast seemed to just linger for absolutely no reason except to stir drama between Sonic and Tails. And then between Sonic and Scourge. If she were actually a nice prize I could understand but she just seems to be a terrible individual who uses everyone.

Villain Fiona seems to be liked for one of two reasons. The first being that making Fiona a villain finally gave her some kind of direction. It was not nessasarily good direction but direction none the less. The second sees to be because Fiona/Scourge is the first predominate villainous couple in the comics. Then Snively/Regina then came along and completely blew that out of the water.

One more thing ...

... Sonic hates Geoffery St. John. I don't think he's ever made an attempt to hide the fact that he does. That has been the extent of their history long before Ian came onto the scene. Geoffery's the guy who came along and immediately tried to steal Sonic's girlfriend. He's accused Sonic of being a traitor to the crown multiple times and even tried to kill him once. For a while (during the Dark Ages) he seemed to be looking for any excuse to get Sonic thrown into jail. Even discounting recent events I think his hatred of him is justified.

Geoffery was such an asshole that Antoine punched him in the face.
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ToaArcan Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
FIona's actually a pretty popular character (I myself like her), and just because you don't like her, doesn't mean that she shouldn't exist.

Also, she wasn't a terrible individual who uses everyone until Flynn came along. At the time, she was considered to be a 'prize'.

You also forgot to mention tose that like to have her pull a heel turn, like myself, and the furries, who like seeing a vixen in leather, whom are creepy, but still count.

Sonic has, however, often freely worked with Eggman, and given him multiple opportunities for redemption. Geoff was, until Flynn decided to cock everything up, ultimately a hero, and had a loving relationship with his wife. Seeing him reduced to that state, especially when Sonic himself is in a similar position, and loudly cheering about it, is simply callous. What happened to being "better" than the villains and not sinking to their level? And even if he did think Geoff deserved the guilty verdict, that was not the way to show it.
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Kid3t3rnity Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
However, these serious lapses in judgement can all be traced back to one person; Ian 'motherfucking' Finn, for his blatant Character Derailment, resulting in wasted potential and destroying anything that made that character likeable.
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ToaArcan Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Yup.
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Kid3t3rnity Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Mobile: I can also forgive Sonic a bit for the way he acted (read: a bit), because frankly, Geoffrey deserved it because throughout the years he's shown himself to be a self-righteous, hypocritical jackass that puts his loyalty in the wrong people.
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ToaArcan Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Geoffrey's loyalty was always to the crown. it's just that Flynn decided to take that too far.
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Kid3t3rnity Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I have to agree with Sunshine regarding Geoffrey. Even though he had a pretty sympathetic reason, he's always made questionably bad decisions, even before the retcon, and he made no attempt to mask his dislike and maybe jealousy of Sonic.
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ToaArcan Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
He'd gotten over a lot of that beforehand, and there was still no reason for Sonic to act like that.
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Kid3t3rnity Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Wasted potential is what I call it, and which pretty much sums up Ian's writing in general.
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ToaArcan Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Yeah.
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Kid3t3rnity Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Dude, just read 254. ANTOINE CAN DO A SPIN DASH NOW? That's awesome AND badass! It's a Spin Dash...with a fricking SWORD!
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ToaArcan Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Except it also makes no sense because he's the everyman. And Sonic could do that with a homing attack in SatBK.
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Sonic-Sunshine Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2012
I never said I didn't like Fiona.

Fiona was a character who didn't really have direction for entirely too long. She came out of nowhere and was suddenly in the main cast for no good reason. Fiona becoming a villain was a way to set her apart from the rest of the questionable characters and fit her original backstory more then her suddenly being a Freedom Fighter. I don't want her to become a hero again because she'd just be lost in the shuffle of generic " good " female characters. As a leather clad mobian villain her own real competition is Lien-da.

Sonic, in the comics, has always been a character of questionable Morales. He's different from his other incarnations in that he isn't inheritable good and pure. The guy makes mistakes. He was an admitted bully as a child and isn't above skirting (or outright breaking) the law to get his way.

That's why Scourge's words were so jarring to him. Sonic knows good and well that he could be a [i]very[/i] successful villain at the drop of a hat, but that'd mean losing his friends and loved ones forever.

Geoffery, being an Archie character, is more more complicated then that. I don't think he's explicitly evil. He's just a guy who's doing a job. Since he's usually working for someone who's against Sonic's best interests (Max, Elias, and now Nagus) that often puts him at odds with Sonic. I'd say it's a stretch to say he's a hero too given how he operates. He's more like a neutral, and there are [b]a lot[/b] of neutrals in this book.

Approach the book not like it's a fight between Good and Evil, because that's only half of the story. An old saying goes that [i]In war it is not a matter of who is right, but who is left.[/i], and that philosophy applies heavily here. Just about everyone's philosophy on how Mobius should be ruled is wrong, but we're supposed to be rooting for the Kingdom of Acorn to win because Sonic's backing them.

More recently the comic's been exploring the idea that the way the Kingdom of Acorn is ruled is wrong which has lead to Nagus' rise to power in the first place. The people are discontent with the Acorns. That won't end when Nagus is given the boot.
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ToaArcan Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I thought FIona's character arc worked well: Someone who had learned from her past misgivings, and had the strength of character to rise above it and become a heroine. More than that, she was the Freedom Fighters' field medic, something that they are currently sorely in need of, since they can't run back to Mobotropolis every time. But then Flynn screwed that all up. She reverted to her past misgivings, and did a complete about-turn, going from caring to sadistic. It's like he came up with this character, but didn't know how to integrate it, so just slapped it on FIona.

I generally portray her as more violent than the other heroes, more willing to kill her enemies, and also bearing a fair bit of mental scarring, from sustained hardships.

Flynn has said that he is mandated to not change the SEGA cast in any way. So you seem to be confusing Archie Sonic with the far superior STC Sonic. That, or Flynn is lying about the mandate. He isn't a complex character, simply because SEGA won't let him be one. TO be a complex character, one must have downs as well as ups, and since Sonic is required to "Never be 'Uncool'", he has no level other than "Cut-and-paste from games".

The only problem with giving Scourge's words a lasting effect (OTher than it being a Killing Joke ripoff) is that Sonic has indeed had a bad day, and is clearly nothing like Scourge. And yet, they still give the flashback some gravity. It would have been better if he had gone through the flashback, and said: "Well, there's that bad day, and I'm still me. Minorly scarred, but still nothing like Scourge. Ol' green bean was wrong again."

Well, he at least had good intentions.

Also, I think one of the reasons why there are so many neutrals is that half the cast have chronic backstabbing disorder.

Well, it seems to be "Most of Mobius vs Eggman", or occasionally "Mobius vs Moebius". In the latter case, it is certainly good versus evil (With a sprinkling of heel-face-revolving-door on the evil side), and anyone who defines Eggman as anything other than evil is a basket case.

Kingdom of Acorn died in 179. They have a Republic now. Seriously, Naugus was promised the Crown of the Acorn Kingdom. He's welcome to it. That nation isn't around anymore.

And they aren't "discontent with the Acorns", they're brainwashed and stupid. So, sort of a mix between minions and Marvelverse civilians.
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Sonic-Sunshine Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2012
A lot of what happened to Fiona from her becoming a Freedom Fighter, joining the Brain Trust, falling in love with Sonic, and ultimately falling in love with Scourge were things that were implied but never actually explored in the comic. It just seemed strange to me that such a significant character would come out of nowhere and be treated like she was always a part of the main cast without any real exploration of her character. Then again, Bunnie was in the comic for over 210 issues before they even scratched the surface of her history.

Sonic's personality was explored YEARS before Ian came onto the scene. Sonic admitted to once being a bully in Sonic 117. Sonic commited treason more times then I can count, but was actually [i]punished[/i] for doing so in the early 90s when he was put on House Arrest. Not like that stopped him. Issue 97 focused on him intentionally breaking the law to help, surprise, Geoffery St. John.

I think that even Ian's Sonic has more personality then SegaSonic. Compared to other predominate characters who seem to have a wider spectrum of emotions (Sally the most obvious) he seems to be more cookie cutter then the rest.

Briefly about Sonic and Scourge: The only clear difference between Sonic and Scourge is that Sonic can't break free of the limitations put on his personality while the writers have free reign over Scourge. Scourge is immensely popular because he's everything that Sonic can't be.

The mobians in Mobotropolis ... Stupid? Sure. Brainwashed? Not really. Nagus' powers are only amplifying what's already there. The mobians staged a revolt against the Acorns long before Nagus came onto the scene. That's why there's a Republic in the first place.

The interesting thing here is that the mobian's concerns aren't entirely unjustified. King Max was a pretty terrible ruler throughout his reign and ultimately caused the rise of Robotnik. Elias isn't much better. He chose to run away from his responsibilities instead of confront them. He only came back because Sonic begged him to (and Meg screamed some sense into him). None of the Acorns except maybe Sally are fit to be on the Council, let alone rule singlehandedly.

NICOLE being in full control of the city was a disaster waiting to happen. The main thing I'm concerned about now is whether or not their discontent with NICOLE will carry over into Sonic and his team when they remove Nagus from power. The principle is about the same. Rather then an individual it's a small team that has an immense amount of power and act against the interests of the people. It might not be against their BEST interests, but them reinstating Elias is bound to be an unpopular move.
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ToaArcan Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Well, really, she was a background character until 155. Let's be honest, with the whole Sonic/Fiona/Tails thing going on, it was shaping up to be another of Ken's love triangle arcs. You know the sort, the ones where Sonic ends up with Sally again, and the other girl finds someone else. Considering the amount of ship tease, I was expecting Fiona to end up with Tails, and Sonic to go back to pursuing Sally, since status quo is god. Really, I think Ken paired Fiona with Sonic to bring her into the spotlight so that he could develop her, but didn't get the chance.

Then it's Penders' and Bollers' doing, not Flynn's. Despite the title, everything in this rant is aimed at Flynn, not those two. Bollers was garbage, yes, that's a given fact. Penders was mediocre on his second run, but his first was definitely the best run on the comic.

Well, let's be fair. Times that Sonic commets treason normally result in him being proven right.

Right. He isn't however, allowed to be shown sad. Covers in which he has tears in his eyes have been edited to not include them.

Scourge is popular because he's everything Sonic can't be. Right, you know, I think most people would prefer it if Sonic didn't become a murderous complete monster, who needs the help of either his mentally-broken girlfriend, or a gang of psychopaths who all hate him, who was being manipulated by Tails/Miles, and also a lying, two-faced asshole. In other words, he's popular because he's a villain.

Eh, the spell Naugus used is described as an emotion bomb by TV Tropes (Because, well, it is), which is on the brainwashing index last time I checked.

I'm pretty sure that revolt was just the Prowers randomly becoming communists, trying to kill Elias, and Sally talking them into forming the Republic. And hey, that's blwon up in their faces, since the Council are useless, and always hinder the heroes rather than help them.

And Sally's too busy leading the Freedom Fighters to help. Because apparantly no-one at Archie has ever heard of a warrior queen.

THe thing about Nicole is that it would have worked perfectly if four things hadn't happened.

The Iron Queen pulled an "It's Magic, we don't have to explain it" and brainwashed Nicole, despite the fact that Future!Rotor would have known about the Iron Queen's abilities and programmed a resistance in.

Sonic and Sally told no-one about Nicole being a double agent.

Mina decided to be an idiot, write a song against Nicole, and potentially piss off the thing she was scared of.

Naugus showed up with his emotion bomb spell.

Actually, Naugus' reign is already being described as one of terror, so they'll probably want him gone.
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Sonic-Sunshine Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2012
Sonic isn't always right. I was mainly referring to his particularly poor judgement starting around the time he met Mina. In such a short timespan he managed to steal (and ultimately lose) the Sword of Acorns, drop the ball leading to the King's critical injury, and spook the returning Overlanders so bad that they decided to take their chances with Eggman. They tried to punish him, but he essentially flipped them off and continued doing whatever he pleased.

Sonic having free reign to do whatever he pleases is the cause of a lot of problems in the Ian Era, too. Mainly letting Eggman live after slaughtering millions of mobians and enslaving millions more being the foundation for the current arch.

There are people who'd like to see a more twisted Sonic for the same reason you like seeing Fiona in leather. Just saying. It's never going to happen to Sonic, but Scourge is around to fulfill the needs of that part of the fanbase.

Now onward about the Republic of Acorn ...

The revolution was the endgame to a longrunning problem. Simply put; the two recent seated members of the Acorn Family were unfit to rule. Max did whatever the magic pool of goop told him to do and damned anyone's opinion about it. Elias never wanted to be King in the first place and has shown himself to be nothing but weak and spineless since ascending the throne. Given his current behavior with the Secret Freedom Fighters he will continue to be whiny and unlikable if he's enstated.

Basically, the people enstating Nagus so quickly was their way of saying " We think anyone can do a better job then the last guy " which, given Elias' record of failure and cowardice, is probably true. They don't like Nagus but they don't want Elias back, either. I think this arch is ultimately building up to the crowning of a completely new ruler but we'll see.

The general idea of what I said about NICOLE before was that no one person/mobian/A.I./whatever should have that much power. It was nice when it worked right but when it went wrong it went terribly wrong. Luckily NICOLE and the her supporters both worked on a way to overcome it. It's just a matter of getting the people to accept it now.

It wouldn't be too surprising if they didn't accept her help though. They might just move on and build their own city somewhere else, anyway.
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ToaArcan Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Right. However, we're always meant to take Sonic's side, so it kinda falls flat.

Right. But he's not allowed to screw the consequences and let the fat bastard die.

You got the wrong end of the stick with me and FIona. I don't like her current design. Her FF one was better, and I think furries are creepy.

There are, however, a trillion fanfics that do corrupt Sonic a lot better, and they are free to read, and normally use Sonic himself, rather than so cheap, tacky recolour.

Never really saw Elias as unlikable. I think the fact is that he's a family man, brought up with no idea that he's a prince, and as such, is unsuited to being a king.

Which highlights why they are morons. I mean seriously, Naugus might as well have "Obvious Villain tattooed on his forehead. He's explicitly evil a lot of the time, and even tried to kill them when they were Robians. It's also a case of "Swap one individual with too much power for another", only this one has blatantly dark intentions.

Yeah, that's a good point.

TO be honest, part of me just wants her to snap, or the Iron Nicole persona to seperate from her and give them all hell.
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LogiTeeka Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You know, I'm getting really sick of these nick-picking reviews. A lot of these so-called "problems" can be properly explained by simply reasoning with the story. It doesn't need to be fully explained or analysed in the story, it's up to the reader to decide what's happening.

For example, the reason why Sonic and company didn't peruse after Metal Sally was because they were overwhelmed by their tremendous loss. Think about it, if you're city was attacked and two of your best friends were roboticized and encased in crystal... yeah, you would feel mighty down about it.

Not only that, but Sonic was in no condition to continue fighting. Plus, they had no idea where the Death Egg was until Eggman attacked again. And when Antoine was down for the count, they had to stay behind in order to get him to the hospital. And while Geoffrey's backstory was sympathetic, Sonic still held his grudge against him because he just overthrew the current king and put Naugus (a villian) on the throne.

I feel that these are just excuses not only to express your dislike of the comics, but also complaining just for the fun of it. I understand that some people hate Ian's writing, but there are lots of people who enjoy his stories (including myself). If you don't like it, that's fine; but you don't have to force it on everybody else.
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FoxTrax Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
"Not only that, but Sonic was in no condition to continue fighting."

That part always bugged me. They didn't really elaborate on how or why he was in bad condition. All that happened was that he got pinned by a couple of robots and thrown out of an airlock. He's survived worse.
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SolarSpartan710 Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2012
Well if you read some of the past issues like Issues 230, 231, 232, 234,& 235,they do understand why he's in that mood. Plus we all do that too when something really bad happens and we all say stuff like "It's the end of the world!", "We lost, they won!", "I'm a failure!", or "We're all going to die!". It was more than just Sally getting roboticized and you know it.
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ToaArcan Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Yeah. Physically, he could be fixed witha Ring, which Nicole can make. Mentally, Sonic tends to respond to such situations by getting pissed off and kicking the crap out of the villain.

I mean, he doesn't hulk out and go Super like STC's Sonic (Which is a shame, he needs a super-powered evil side, those are always cool), but still, his general mentality is to annihilate his targets.
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Kid3t3rnity Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Is LogiTeeka one of those fans who think they know better but don't? No offense, but he was just looking at the surface of the problem. Sonic was indeed being OOC. He could have just asked Nicole for a ring and bring Mecha Sally in. His STC counterpart would have done it.

Regarding Geoffrey, whether he was aware that the people were being brainwashed by Naugus, the  fact that the guy even helped an obviously evil wizard from the beginning is just mind boggling. Honor before reason indeed. Even till the end, he still wanted the both of them to be redeemed in some way, only for Naugus to make a meat puppet out of him. I call that a wasteful retcon, as well as giving the story an anti-hero to keep the plot going.
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tm42098 Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2014
well, technically, hs STC counterpart would've been so stressed out he'd turn into a super-powered, psychopathic, godlike monstrosity, but thats if you exclusively count the "official" comic.
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ToaArcan Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
That often seems to be the size of it. And yeah, this story would have been over in 2-3 issues if the heroes had actually been smart.

Geoffrey bsaically got turned into a male Fiona for a bit, before being retconned out of existence.
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ArchieSonicLulz Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2012
To be perfectly honest, I don't see how he's forcing his opinion on those who like Flynn's work. I mean, the journal entry was written in the anti-Archie-Sonic group, not any universal ones like :iconsonic-club: or :iconteamsoniclovers: :iconsatamforeverclub: :iconsonic-universe-fans: :iconsonicuniverses-group:

Plus, you had to go to this group just to find it. No offense, but aren't you sorta hunting for anti Flynn rants when you do that?
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RobertDaller Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012
I happened to find this while I was searching in something unrelated for serious.
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LogiTeeka Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I'm not specificity targeting them, I'm just pointing out the flaws in their reviews. Whenever I see a review that's makes something look worse than what it actually is, I can't help but try explaining my reasons.
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ArchieSonicLulz Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2012
Ok, fair enough.

But you know, they can explained just as much the other way too if you think about it.

Anyway, the guy who made the rant had this to say in response.

1) It's called critique. Art forms such as comics get it.

2) And I'd want to fix it ASAP. Also: Coated in crystal =/= gravely injured. Coated in crystal = coated in fucking crystal. If anything, it's an extra layer of protection. And since he sat on his ass, the Robian one's condition became worse.

3) Nicole can make Rings. Rings can heal injuries. Makes you wonder why they don't use one to fix Jules, but that's beside the point.

It's kinda hard to miss the giant egg-shaped battle station.

I'm not talking about the time after Antoine's injury.

He did that, at the behest of the (really stupid, kinda brainwashed) people.
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Yes indeed. It does suck. You can pretty much see how different Sonic is portrayed in the games than in the comics. O_o I don't know how Flynn could screw up his character.
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RobertDaller Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012
HE didn't screw up his character if anything the more ian writes the more it becomes like the games.
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Kid3t3rnity Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Two words: The Reboot. Expect it to be a bit like the games now because of Penders, Flynn and Archie. Why? Because of the lawsuit. You can read up on that in our group.
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RobertDaller Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2013
I know all about the lawsuit and.. how is that Ian Flynn's fault?
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Kid3t3rnity Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
It was Archie's fault, you must have misread my comment. I don't hate the comic, just the stories that were messed up to begin with.
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RobertDaller Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2013
Yeah I know and i've seen how you think the Lawsuit was "Archie's fault" And it's far from that either

By what logic Should Ken Penders have the character rights to characters he created for Archie and Sega knowing that if he left the comics they could do whatever they pleased with them

None of the Writers were even given rights to the characters because they were created for Archie There is no logical reason Ken Penders should have owned the characters

HOWEVER That doesn't mean I don't sympathize with him I would react badly too if I found out someone was doing things I didn't appreciate with CHaracters I created but the fact is They were created for someone else!
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SolarSpartan710 Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2012
This comic book was never intended to be exactly like the games and even if it was then it would suck because of lazy story writing. Sonic can be an evolving character. Take Sonic the Comic for example. He lacks emotion and is most of the time an asshole.
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ToaArcan Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Flynn has a habit for blaming the "Sonic can never be uncool" mandate for character cockups (Because steady relationships are uncool, right?), but I fail to see how feeling empathy for someone is uncool, so he can't use that as a guard this time. It's Flynn's fault, he's mangling Sonic's character.
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Making a character OOC -ish ._. You'd expect that from amateur fanfiction writers...
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tm42098 Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2014
Exactly, Archie Comics.
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ToaArcan Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Yeah. Even in my old shit stories, Sonic still acted like Sonic.
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FoxTrax Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I don't know about the fourth topic. The Freedom Fighters aren't exactly for killing people, even the most dastardly villains. Personally, if they DID end up killing Eggman on purpose, I'd hate the comic even more. But it ALSO makes no sense to not throw him in jail. Nicole built the damn thing, why not use it?

And who's Ken? Do you mean Khan? Or do you mean Penders?

Other than that, this post was excellent.
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ToaArcan Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I think they could pull a Batman Begins on him. "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you."
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RobertDaller Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012
The games have even more to do with the comics than ever before they can't kill eggy off anymore.
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ToaArcan Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Unfortunately.
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ArchieSonicLulz Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2012
He was referring to Monkey Khan, but is also called Ken, as Ian mentioned in 203. :bleh:
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